Brave new (1.0) world.
Geoffrey Broadwell
geoff at broadwell.org
Thu Feb 19 19:40:55 UTC 2009
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 13:33 -0500, Will Coleda wrote:
> If we're calling 1.0/1.5/2.0 -milestone- releases, then they should
> actually be milestones. [1]
Strongly agree.
> If 1.5 is released in July 2009 regardless of what's in the release,
> then calling it a milestone release (and giving it a special version
> number to note the fact) is misleading.
Yes. But I've got a thought on that "special version number" at the
end.
> If that's the intent, then I
> would recommend dropping the version numbers and just calling it
> "200907".
I don't like this as much as your next idea:
> I would rather see the feature set required for milestone releases be
> fixed (or at least fairly firm), have monthly releases of the 1.0
> milestone branch occur until 1.5 is ready to ship, and then update the
> release date to "whenever it happens.".
Mostly agree. But I'd call the feature set a "thick slush" -- if an
unexpected major feature makes it in, but an expected one does not, I
still consider that worthy of a milestone.
> [1] equivalent to the pre-PDS world where going from 0.7.1 to 0.8.0
> (e.g.) indicated we'd actually changed something major, but if we had
> gone to 0.7.2 instead, it would have indicated only minor updates. the
> release still occurs monthly, but features drove whether or not it
> made sense to consider it a milestone release or not.
Agreed. I strongly believe in the fixed monthly release cycle, and I
generally like having a "significant" release every 3 or 6 months, but
as for the "milestone" releases, I don't like a situation in which we
are:
* Staffed by volunteers, most working for free when they can get time
* Promising a list of features for milestones well in advance
* Fixing milestone release dates in stone
And thus:
* Setting ourselves up for yet more PR troubles every time
we release a fixed "milestone" that doesn't meet our promises
As far as the "special version number" issue goes -- I've always thought
it strange that y'all decided to alternate '.0' and '.5' minor numbers
every 6 months, but treat them exactly the same in terms of release
expectations (they're all "milestones"). To me, there's been a
conflation between deprecation boundaries, support windows, and
functional milestones. I can understand the desire to keep all of them
on the same schedule, but I don't see it working all that well with all
volunteers.
How about a three part number, as follows:
1. Milestone
2. Deprecation boundary and/or longer term support release
3. Monthly release
#1 and #3 increment by one each time; #2 can be incremented by whatever
we think is a good marketing amount. So let's say we wanted to keep the
6-month cycle on "significant" releases, but were late on the first
milestones, on time on the second, and early on the third. The
numbering would be:
1.0.0
1.0.1
1.0.2
1.0.3
1.0.4
1.0.5
1.1.0 or 1.2.0 or 1.5.0
1.1.1 1.2.1 1.5.1
1.1.2 1.2.2 1.5.2
2.0.0 # MILESTONE late
2.0.1
2.0.2
3.0.0 # MILESTONE on time
3.0.1
3.0.2
3.0.3
3.0.4
4.0.0 # MILESTONE early!
4.1.0 or 4.2.0 or 4.5.0
4.1.1 4.2.1 4.5.1
...
-'f
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